Is Suicidal ideation a synonym of Suicidal thoughts

It's unfortunate that there wasn't a reason specified for removing it before.  I think people typically view suicidal thoughts and suicidal ideation as comparable although I guess it's conceivable that suicidal ideation might be viewed as broader term.  Often one is making an inference about whether suicidal ideation is present based on patient's statements when asked directly.  But ideation might also be inferred from other observations such as making a statement on social media or making vague references (e.g., "You'll be sorry when I'm not around any more." ) 

I would agree with Piper's suggestion that suicidal ideation should be added and that it doesn't seem entirely synonymous with suicidal thoughts.  

In terms of my anecdotal clinical experience in the US, people typically chart text such as "- SI" for "no suicidal ideation" although they may also chart phrases such as "No suicidal thoughts, plans or intent."  I tried doing a PubMed search looking across all fields, not just title; with this approach suicidal ideation actually was the most commonly used term: "suicidal ideation" 11393 > "suicidal thoughts" 2304  > "suicide ideation" 1836 > "suicidal ideas" 243  > "suicide thoughts" 62

I would argue that the phrase "suicidal ideation" is in common enough use in the literature and in clinical practice that it should be available for people to select in a problem list.   

The next complication, however, is figuring out where suicidal ideation would belong in the hierarchy of parent and child terms.

The difficulty in getting a clear answer on this is an outgrowth of the lack of clarity in the field in terms of suicide related definitions as pointed out by numerous authors. Examples include: 

• Chappell et al. Assessment of Suicidal Ideation and Behavior: Report of the International Society for CNS Clinical Trials and Methodology Consensus Meeting. J Clin Psychiatry. 2017 Jun;78(6):e638-e647. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28682533
• Meyer et al. Suicidality and risk of suicide--definition, drug safety concerns, and a necessary target for drug development: a consensus statement. J Clin Psychiatry. 2010 Aug;71(8): e1-e21. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20797373
• Goodfellow et al. Contemporary Nomenclatures of Suicidal Behaviors: A Systematic Literature Review. Suicide Life Threat Behav. 2018 Jun;48(3):353-366. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28485508

Further complicating the discussion, as Piper points out, is the whole concept of active vs. passive suicidal ideation.   Common definitions for these concepts are those used by Nock et al. (Patterns and predictors of persistence of suicide ideation: Results from the Army Study to Assess Risk and Resilience in Servicemembers (Army STARRS). J Abnorm Psychol. 2018 Oct;127(7):650-658. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30335437) in which they operationally define "active SI" as "ever have thoughts of killing yourself" or "passive SI"  as "ever wish you were dead or would go to sleep and never wake up".  These concepts of active vs. passive SI are also commonly used in clinical settings.   However, only active SI seems akin to having had a suicidal thought, per se. 

The other confound relates to suicidal behaviors where the CDC (Crosby AE, Ortega L, Melanson C. Self-directed violence surveillance: uniform definitions and recommended data elements, version 1.0. Atlanta, GA: US Department of Health and Human Services, CDC; 2011. [Accessed June 11, 2012]. Available at: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/Self-Directed-Violence-a.pdf.) and others (US Department of Veterans Affairs. Mental Illness Research, Education and Clinical Centers Veterans Integrated Service Network 19. [Accessed on 1 July 2013];Self-Directed Violence Classification System. Available at: http://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn19/education/nomenclature.asp.) have chosen to use a framework that refers to suicidal vs. non-suicidal self-directed violence.  However, they do not seem to provide definitions that relate only to ideation/thoughts. 

The Meyer et al., paper ( J Clin Psychiatry. 2010 Aug;71(8): e1-e21.) noted specifically that "Suicidal ideation, suicidal behavior, and suicide are preferable terms; operational definitions for these terms should be formulated and disseminated and should work in translation across languages and cultures" and that "Suicidality should be abandoned as a term" since it is "not as clinically useful as more specific terminology (ideation, behavior, attempts, and suicide)."

The article that Piper mentioned (Batterham et al. A systematic review and evaluation of measures for suicidal ideation and behaviors in population-based research. Psychol Assess. 2015 Jun;27(2):501-512.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25496086) gives a nice overview of scales for population studies but doesn't come to firm conclusions as to an optimal scale.  They also base a number of their criteria on pragmatic considerations such as scale validity, length and availability. However, they aren't comparing/constrasting definitions of terms per se. 

Paul Amos,

The workgroup recommends re-adding suicidal ideation as a synonym for suicidal thoughts for the following reasons:

• While the term suicidal ideation is sometimes used by clinicians and researchers to describe a broad set of concepts (see above by Laura Fochtmann) - ranging from images of one's death or suicide to thoughts about suicide with or without planning, preparation, or intent  - the consensus is that the term itself refers more narrowly to thoughts of suicide
• Within SNOMED, the corresponding observable entity concept 89090003 | Ideation, function (observable entity) | is a direct child of 88952004 | Thinking, function (observable entity) |, i.e., ideation is defined within SNOMED as a specific type of thinking, and is not a child of concepts related to planning, intended action, etc.  Note: it's unclear how the concept | Ideation, function (observable entity) | differs from the concept | Thinking, function (observable entity) |), however, it is clear that it's more specific type of "thought" function.
• Comparable concept | Homicidal ideation (finding)| has synonym 'homicidal thoughts', and is defined as a more specific kind of |Finding of thought content (finding)| 
• Comparable concept |Paranoid ideation (finding)| is also defined as a more specific kind of |Finding of thought content (finding)|, although 'paranoid thought' is not a synonym.
  

Question for you Paul Amos- if 'ideation' and 'thoughts' are synonymous ideas in SNOMED, is there any guidance around which term should be used in the FSN v. the synonym? Also, should we consider adding 'paranoid thoughts' as a synonym for 'paranoid ideation'. 

Note - after reviewing parent and child concepts of |Finding of thought content (finding)| as part of this evaluation, it's clear there are several errors in the way findings related to thought and thinking are currently modeled in SNOMED. 

For example, concept 83507006 | Finding of thought content (finding) | is erroneously modeled as a child concept of 55956009 | Disturbance in content of thought (finding) |.  Concept 225450009 | Homicidal thoughts (finding) | is erroneously modeled as a child concept of 424241004 | Homicidal behavior (finding) |. 

I will add this as an action item to the list of sub-hierarchies in need of clean up. 

Piper

Piper Allyn Ranallo  and team,

Many thanks indeed for bringing this discussion to a conclusion. I will
update the requestor and make the changes as suggested.

Kind regards
Paul

Paul

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